[Gmail-Users] Re: Sending Email to an AOL account

On 11/25/05, Gerard <Gerard.Seibert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fanis Hatzidakis wrote:
> > On 11/24/05, Gerard Seibert <gerard.seibert@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:21:58 -0000, "Shar" <ITeachStampin@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [Gmail-Users] Sending Email to an AOL account
> > > Wrote these words of wisdom:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I get this message when I send an email to any AOL accounts.
> > > >
> > > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
> > > >
> > > > Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
> > > >
> > > > Username@aol.com
> > > >
> > > > Technical details of permanent failure:
> > > > PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 12): 554-: (HVU:B1)
> > > > http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554hvub1.html
> > > > 554 TRANSACTION FAILED
> > > >
> > > > What can I do to be able to email to aol accounts?
> > >
> > > *************** REPLY SEPARATOR ***************
> > > On 11/24/2005 11:44:58 AM Gerard Seibert Replied:
> > >
> > > I am assuming that you clicked on the link and read the documentation
> > > that was presented.
> > >
> > > I have had numerous problems with AOL over the years. AOL sucks, plain
> > > and simple. You would be well advised to suggest to your correspondents
> > > who have the misfortune have an AOL account, to change to a more
> > > suitable, and cheaper, ISP/Content Provider.
> > >
> > > There was no mention in your post regarding the content of the messages
> > > you have attempted to transmit to AOL recipients. If they included any
> > > references to URL's, remove them and try again. That is the most common
> > > problem with the warning you are receiving. You might also contact AOL
> > > directly and get yourself whitelisted by them. I had to do that in order
> > > to get a newsletter that I produce through their filters.
> > >
> > > AOL does provide an 800 number available through the link they provided
> > > you for you to contact them at. I have used it in the past with good
> > > results. At least you will be able to ascertain what the problem is.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gerard Seibert
> > > gerard.seibert@gmail.com
> > >
> > > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> > > A: Top-posting.
> > > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
> > >
> >
> > Gerard,
> >
> > I kept telling myself I won't bite and reply to your top-posting
> > comments, but here I am. Just 2 points I want to make:
> >
> > 1) I don't agree with top-posting for the same reasons you don't, but
> > Gmail's web interface encourages it so much that for small replies of
> > a conversational manner (ie not when several points were made and I'm
> > replying to each one of them individually) it's actually more
> > efficient. The fact that Gmail "hides" the original text just makes it
> > easier to read the reply without distractions, since the original
> > email is most of the time sitting just above.
> >
> > 2) Speaking of distractions, your "*************** REPLY SEPARATOR
> > ***************" is one. Gmail (web interface, again) hides the
> > original text, so something like a "reply separator" seems redundant
> > and just pulls the eyes away from the actual content of your email.
> >
> > Fanis
>
> I am actually using the Google Web interface right now. This is
> something I virtually never do. Google's web interface is very poorly
> designed and implemented. It is virtually useless for a power user. It
> is for this very reason that I use e-mail to read any posting that may
> occur in this or other Google groups. Actually, I am considering using
> Agent to handle this and other Google forums. I just have not gotten
> around to it as of yet.
>
> I admit that my 'reply separator' when used in conjunction with the web
> interface, could prove to be a distraction. I use it to facilitate
> replying to messages that I receive via e-mail from this group. The
> overwhelming majority of posts on this forum, and unfortunately the
> majority of Google's forums, are so poorly structured that it becomes
> necessary to place a demarcation marker in a post to differentiate who
> posted what. The average poster on these forums has no working
> knowledge of how a forum is actually suppose to be conducted. If they
> would take a few minutes to review the information available here:
> http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/ their posting skills
> would/could improve immensely. Actually, you are one of the few I have
> encountered on these Google forums that has even the vaguest idea of
> what they are doing. I believe that this can be attributed to the fact
> that most posters on this forum are children, but that does not excuse
> their lack of skills; i.e., spelling, composition, normal forum
> etiqette, etc.

Although around the beginning of this group, the discussions mostly
revolved around new features, various tips and tricks, and generally
how to get the most out of Gmail, lately it has become more about
asking for help with some simple tasks. The majority of the original
posters has for various reasons stopped bothering with this group,
which in turn has diluted the posting quality.

It still is a great place to ask for help with Gmail, due to the
abundance of knowledgeable and courteous people such as yourself.

>
> By the way, I used: <SHOW OPTIONS> <REPLY> to compose this message.
> Google could improve on its interface. It is definitely not as
> intuitive as it could or should be.

Personally I just clicked on the "Reply" link right under the text of
your email. I could have also hit "R" on my keyboard, or just clicked
on the empty text area below the last post in this thread (assuming it
was the one I wanted to reply to).

I find Gmail's web interface very well suited for conversations
between 2 people, exactly because then top-posting can be employed
without guilt, seeing as the original email you're replying to is just
above. As the number of participants in a "conversation" increases,
it's easy to get confused especially when people start completely
deleting the text they're replying to.

Admittedly, if you're used to a full-fledged email client such as
Thunderbird, Outlook, Eudora, etc, you will find any webmail to be
lacking. I do believe that Gmail is keeping it simple and focusing
around the actual email and threads (conversations). It does provide
some great features such as free POP, forwarding, and filters, but
certainly not the flexibility "power users" are used to having. Not
yet, at least :)

>
> Gerard Seibert
> gerard.seibert@gmail.com
>
> A South American scientist from Argentina, after a lengthy study, has
> discovered that people with insufficient sexual activity read their
> e-mail with their hand on the mouse. Do not bother taking it off now;
> it is too late.
>
>

Fanis