[Gmail-Users] Re: Gmail vs. Hotmail vs. Yahoo Mail and the alternatives

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:09:06 +0000
James Whitehead <whiteheadj@gmail.com>
Subject: [Gmail-Users] Re: Gmail vs. Hotmail vs. Yahoo Mail and the alternatives
Wrote these words of wisdom:

> On 12/28/05, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not so. Yahoo delivers your mail!
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> villandra@austin.rr.com
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> Dora,
>
> You seem to be a bit put out with GMail as you have been posting on various groups that GMail doesn't deliver your mail, and that Yahoo does etc. This is incorrect. GMail delivers your mail, but it is stopped by various Spam filters and blacklists if spam has been sent from GMail before. If you are so desperate to get your mail through, either complain to Google, to the admin/webmaster of the mail server you are trying to send your mail to, or to the maintainer of the filter/blacklist, as it is extremely irritating to hear you spreading false statements (not intentionally false, but false in that they do not tell all the facts, and are completely incorrect).
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> The problem is like GMail sending the letters through the Royal Mail (the standard post service - I live in England so that's what I'm calling it) and your letterbox scanning them, realising that they come from the same place as some junk mail you got recently, and dissolving them in acid.
>
> OK, not quite like that. Well not really like that at all. But you get the picture. Your complaining about GMail "not delivering your mail" is completely false; it delivers your mail, and it is deleted on the threshold of the receiver. It is only Google's fault in that they use non-standard IP addresses in the message header (they put their server's address, not the sender's address). Gerard can explain this in more detail and more correctly than I can (unlucky Gerard - I've dumped it on you).
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> Sorry if I've been a bit rude, but I can't stand people saying things like that with no explanation or even an example of what has gone wrong. I also like to correct people.
>
> HTSYIPOLOGWCDTPAIHTYHNLTFAWTSPLT,
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> James
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> P.S. I just made up that acronym - it stands for "Hope This Stops You Incorrectly Posting On Lots Of Groups Without Clearly Describing The Problem And I Hope That You Have Learnt The Facts And Will Therefore Stop Posting Like That" - get out the records - it's one we have to use a lot!
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> --
> James Whitehead
> mailto:whiteheadj@gmail.com

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On 12/30/2005 7:45:23 AM, Gerard Seibert Replied:

Thanks James, I always like getting dumped on.

For the most part, I do agree with Mr. Whitehead. Complaining to the
SPAM blacklisting services is a total waste of time. The specifications
that they are using have been in place for quite some time, are
prominently posted for system administrators to view and adhere to and
are used by thousands (hundreds of thousands ?) mail systems. I even
employ a few on my mail system.

Google is simply refusing to follow normal conventions in this matter
which is putting its customers in a seriously compromised situation. Not
very friendly in my opinion. If Microsoft had tried this strategy, all
hell would break loose from the MS detractors. However, since Google is
the new darling of the tech set, criticism has been suppressed.

Google will probably not change their policy until forced to. Therefore,
this is my suggestion for all those suffering from tyranny.

Forward all mail that was refused back to Google. Use as many of their
addresses as possible. Write a very detailed explanation as to why you
are doing this. Explain how unsatisfied you are with their GMail service
in this respect. Inform them that you would not recommend the service
to others until this problem is resolved. Go into detail how you intend
to write to their advertisers and complain about this annoyance and
potentially damaging consequences it might have on your career. Do this
for each and every email that is refused.

If Google gets swamped with enough negative feedback, as well as their
advertisers complaining about receiving negative email from Google's
GMail customers, I believe the pressure will cause Google to rethink its
policy.

As always, YMMV

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Gerard Seibert
gerard.seibert@gmail.com